Replying to @Tomkatf14. ”“I want to hear from Oregon fans. ”On the eve of a significant B12 meeting got a few tidbits to offer up. ”“Alright! Got the go ahead to post it. ”“B10 has told Washington and Oregon that they have put expansion on hold indefinitely. Talks are indeed dead for a merger. Likes. 02 Jun 2023 22:14:16. Likely not enough votes there to oust him yet but the cracks are showing. “@RChalk94 Governance would make the final call though. Likes. USC and UCLA moved the needle a lot. One that seems to have a lot of steam is that Pac12 and Big12 leadership will be meeting Tuesday to discuss a full-on merger. Hearing that GK is telling some of the PAC presidents that he may not have any new developments in the tv negotiations to present at next weeks meeting. Sign up“@tsaundry13 Too early to tell. “So I was told the proposed breakdown for unequal revenue sharing for PAC. @xtmountain. Sign up“I’ve got a pretty big scoop to share that I’ve been sitting on for a few days. MHver3, a Twitter user who posts controversial and speculative tweets about college football, claims that BYU and Houston are the initial targets for the Big 12's. 8 of them are. It got nasty from what I’ve been told. 35 seconds to PACmidnight. However UConn and Nova can make a case for being in that discussion. Again they did not have 8 yes votes for either school. 16 Jul 2023 00:27:09. “Looks like we have a new ESPN offer for PAC12. Replying to. “You can’t make this stuff up! (Though I will be accused of it anyway 😂). We currently get about $4m for that same content. Without the additions the show could very well be on the other foot right now. “Boise State making their case for inclusion into the B12. Jul 12. That’s it. It would seem inevitable that at some point u will say something… I mean, anything. As did VT. 06 Mar 2023 18:13:11Log in. They are content to sit at 16 and wait out Notre Dame. “I think what we are seeing is that the deep fractures in the PAC are leading to schools feeling out all options trying to formulate back up plans. Also a high ranking member of. As soon as I’m allowed to it’ll be up. MHver3 @MHver3. 22 Feb 2023 21:50:26Reposting this again at the request of my source with alternate phrasing: Colorado board will meet Monday to informally poll where votes would lie for leaving PAC. Meanwhile ND maneuvered their way to a sweetheart deal with ACC and was able to leave the faltering BIgEast. “@RChalk94 But Washington and Oregon add $60+ million per year apiece to a tv deal when you look at the data” “As I type this the Arizona schools are discussing exit strategy and AZ is making their case for autonomy to decide conference affiliation (in case they are the only one that gets an invite). “@kenneyclone @JBWinstonTX No. We don’t have the endowment they have. 17. ESPN pro-rata is a given. ACC still has 2 blue bloods to B12’s 1. 2. The other $5m is from a variety of different T3 revenue streams. Conversation“Slow day for info and the weekend will most likely be the same, so here’s a quote I thought I’d share for discussion: "Yeah, I know where the money is " Yormark when asked about tv money during an interview with 365 Sports. My source says it’s getting more and more likely a prodigal son returns. ”Some drips of info hitting the bucket. 27. MHver3 @MHver3 ACC source telling me this morning that the school they work for has exhaustively ran the numbers and when compared to the windfall of SEC or B1G tv money the financial risk is outweighed by the future reward. GK still only has the ESPN/Amazon offer of $22m per school. He’s also telling me the big catch with the apple deal would be research grants to member schools-an area apple has been historically lagging behind other tech companies. 11:57 PM · Apr 17, 2023 @MHver3 Question for conversation: This Century-Has there been any case where after switching from one BCS/P5 league to another that a school has seen better success on the field? Miami, VT, Neb, Mizzou, Colorado, WVU, Louisville, have all fallen off the map since their moves. Who stands to benefit the most?“@USFBullTampaBuc They should’ve built these a decade ago. “@vikingburner Seton Hall is no longer an option. You ready for this? Oregon/Washington 16. @MHver3. “And the killer for Utah is that even tough they are valued in the top half the one Power conference that they have a shot at may not really want them because they have a school in that market and lower valued schools like AZ are actually higher valued to B12. ” “@BroncoJ415 @MrSamStone3 There’s a lot of things on the table. Sign up“60 seconds to PACmidnight. Could also mean NBC/B12 won’t happen. It did ok. 19 Jul 2023 04:22:28. @MHver3 If B10 is still shopping then that means NBC is getting aggressive with trying to get in on their contract and it’s driving $ higher. And CFP is going to probably double for everyone soon. Look for a thread soon. The Big 10 should just bring in all the schools in the Pac 10 as a Western division. @KStateKyle. And GK. Sign up“@ChiefsInsider There’s a legitimate academic snobbery by the presidents and they are trying their damndest to go down with the ship. Still waiting on my main source to give me the go ahead to share. 7. 9. GOR have teeth even for powerful schools. I’ve got news but can’t leak it yet. The truth is that’s where the PAC is valued at right now because the bottom half of the remnants are really dragging down the top half in. ” MHver3 @MHver3. 5% each. 5% each. ”Log in. Without ORWA it will be closer to $32-$34 plus control of tier3”NBC/USA were also interested in some PAC content but they wanted it at a deep discount and are “worlds apart” from what GK was asking for. “And then the Tier 3 which would see PAC12N move to Apple with all the rest of the total sports content for about $40m per year”Less than $200m currently. We’ve spoiled schools with Tier3 independence. Thanks for the heads up from those of you who wrote me. 18 Mar 2023 01:39:09“@PAULHAR16697272 It’s a long story but he held up B12 expanding with FSU and Clemson because he swore he had Notre Dame in the hook to join as well (being friends with Swarbrick). Appx $75m per year. Log in. Log in. Take it with a grain of salt-not my usual source. Washington has now reached out to the B12 about membership options that include an out of the GOR for B10 membership. They want no part of unequal revenue sharing. 2. Utah athletic director Mark Harlan needs just four words to disarm the Arizona-to-Big 12 narrative. I don’t think anyone is getting in with a negotiated out clause. 7:34 PM · Jul. “ESPN has been quietly pushing for a B10/SEC Rose Bowl so don’t get too excited yet. ”“@kiwicanuck76 I’m told it’s because the conference has 4 states and 8 schools on their no travel list. If you start to hear reports of a PAC media offer for $25-28m per school trickle out keep a couple of things in mind: 14 Mar 2023 14:40:40@MHver3 · 1h. I’d prefer B12 waits for eventual ACC poaching and go and get our old BIgEast mates. “Just wanted to pop in and drop off some WVU related info. I don’t normally delete anything. 11. MHver3 @MHver3. If B10 is still shopping then that means NBC is getting aggressive with trying to get in on their contract and it’s driving $ higher. I actually don’t want more western schools. 13 Apr 2023 02:07:57 @MHver3 They're all signing a shorter GoR, it's not so much giving up as letting the landscape settle and use the time to build their best case to join on the field. Retweets. @MHver3 FWIW my sources are telling me that FOX is NOT actively negotiating with PAC. (Ralph Freso / Associated Press) Sources say preliminary talks have started on a merger between San Diego State’s current conference and the Pac-12, which is in. That will never happen because these additions are based on valuation metrics. Huskies have come back to the table. ”“Since everyone is regurgitating Mandel’s garbage today allow me one last time to explain why the ratings don’t matter here and are in fact flawed. 251. Ed. I said AAC (not ACC) invited PAC members. But not the question asked. I’ll update as I get more info. Then there’s also the chance that the NY6 bowls all become absorbed into the expanded playoffs as round 1 of a 12 team playoff. ”“@BroncoJ415 @MrSamStone3 There’s a lot of things on the table. Colorado feels like they are on an island and being pushed out. 3. ”10:23 PM · Jul 22, 2022 · Twitter for iPhone. ”MHver3 @MHver3. A playoff appearance by OKST or Baylor or KSU would change the calculus quite a bit. ”“@HazzardCoEng Would be a fun league but splitting that tv pie 24 ways would have us in the same boat as pac12. 31 May 2023 12:38:21. We would like to show you a description here but the site won’t allow us. MHver3. Apologize in advance for spelling or grammatical errors-glasses are off and I’m squinting in the dark. ”“So ESPN takes more games than the current contractual obligation and uses them in the late window. ”BY possibly has a 3rd media partner on board if Fox is a no go for adding $ for new additions. Factions have formed. I believe BE still would’ve added several of the schools that they invited later. Boise State is making a lot of noise wanting B12 to reopen their application. ”Notre Dame is not a factor. @MHver3 The worst-case scenario for WVU, of course, is the Big 10 standing pat and the Pac 12, still with UW and ORE, picking off several Big 12 teams and leaving the rest of the Big 12 in the wilderness. and @Mountaineer_Ste. 1. Even an Oregon and a Washington together don’t increase the pie enough to bring up the per school payout. 2. Pac12 additions in all sports are priority number 1. AZ has not been completely vetted like the other two but since they are current P5 B12 would get Prorata. 1. And there are ongoing discussions on how that money could be generated through selling the extra inventory. Sources from Colorado are telling B12 contacts that no deal is being presented tomorrow. Replying to . @MHver3. The other 6 split the remaining 40% equally. (I’m on a mini vacation right now so I haven’t been doing a lot of talking with him the past few days). ”“B1G without a Notre Dame addition has reached the point of diminishing returns. We would like to show you a description here but the site won’t allow us. Look for a thread soon. Possibly 3 east coast teams as well but those 3 are not as far along as the zags are. $120m from Amazon/$100m espn. Found. Washington was their next choice. Army/Navy make the most sense from a. Become an Annual VIP member today and get access. @MHver3 17h Amazon only wants the top game every week fb and bb from the PAC12 and is offering $100m a year for 2 years with an option for 2 more years and a review of the terms if the viewership is there. ”“Alright! Got the go ahead to post it. “Espn is telling B12 through back channels that they would like to broker a deal to convert LHN into a Big12 network and secure all of B12 tier 3 rights for 7 years. If the ND/Big 12/NBC rumors have any truth to them, I imagine the Big 12 became even more attractive for those schools. Again they did not have 8 yes votes for either school. I’m definitely not giving up my CONFIDENTIAL sources. BYU has requested an exclusion to allow certain games of theirs to be simulcast on their network. There. ”“Also telling that PAC12 is saying they are waiting for B10 contract to close before they “know anything”. Likes. ”“My source just informed me that Arizona, Colorado, Utah, and Arizona State have applied for membership with the B12. Would help them reclaim partially, a soon to be lost market, and actually aligns very well culturally with PAC. GK is currently trying to Frankenstein a mess of a deal with ESPN getting 1 FB game per week at about $5m per game and 3 BB games per week at about $1m per week. “Still haven’t gotten confirmation or info of the possible meetings for Utah and AZ…”“@MurrDCU They’d be a decent add just for the recruiting area. Sign upLog in. That’s all I’ve got. I think something will happen to try to satisfy these demands. 6. “Also being told that earlier suspicions confirmed. Gonzaga is in for basketball. 13. Sign upFwiw I’m hearing the ION Tv thing was a red herring fed to McMurphy and Kliavkoff is only a few days away from having 2 final proposals in hand to take to his schools for voting. I’ve maintained that schools are still waiting on the deal to come in before making a decision. Quote Tweets. My source (who is talking to an AD at a pac school) says the deal with Espn/Amazon is worth $220m a year. MHver3 @MHver3. Hearing that GK is telling some of the PAC presidents that he may not have any new developments in the tv negotiations to present at next weeks meeting. We’ve seen lots of tweets from reputable sources, but I’ve also seen a lot of interesting rumors from MHver3 on Twitter . Sounds like he expects a number of his current members to go else where. Air Force and Colorado State have also been in contact with Kliavkoff. 26. Oregon was the third choice as a. “Also as part of this deal ESPN would pay Oregon and Washington an additional $15 million per year for the trade off of playing 2 ACC teams per year. Knight felt it was the best outcome for Oregon and the PAC with no B1G offer coming. My source says B10 won’t expand until at least new commissioner has been hired but this option was discussed at a recent B10. Sign up. Quote Tweets. 2. ”Gonna have envoys from the Rockies and the desert here at the B12 meetings in West-by-God Virginia. $320m per year for 12 years. They're all signing a shorter GoR, it's not so much giving up as letting the landscape settle and use the time to build their. ”Log in. 21 Feb 2023 23:32:48 Feb 24. @MHver3 17h Amazon only wants the top game every week fb and bb from the PAC12 and is offering $100m a year for 2 years with an option for 2 more years and a review of the terms if the viewership is there. @MHver3 So if B1G Stops, then it seems the most likely outcome is the B12 raids the remaining members. Sign up“Tonight’s Big12 vote isn’t to invite schools. Feel like FSU is the most vocal because they are the most edge case in the ACC. If 4 teams get taken from the ACC by the Power 2, there is a good chance FSU is not one of them. Oh btw there is an AZ board of regents. FWIW my sources are telling me that FOX is NOT actively negotiating with PAC. ConversationReports that Pac12 is assessing SDSU and SMU are old news that many have known since USC and UCLA bolted. The only true and reliable "source'' yet to surface on the Pac-12's future. 2. Washington State puts up shockingly good TV numbers. Grant of Rights required or will come with a clause for reductions assigning each school a percentage of what their worth is to the overall contract. B12 has been told by sources from WSU and Oregon State that they will be submitting applications to the B12 pending how successful the first round of merger talks go. It was $24. This happened sometime in the past few days. Nothing will happen until GK presents the deal to Pac12 presidents. 1. No football home for Uconn in exchange either. ACC adding west coast schools could severely affect B12 expansion plan because its really just about that late window. @MHver3. ·. Replying to. "Hearing that UConn is leveraging for an all sports invite from B12…and BY and networks are listening. ”Log in. Also heard from a source today that someone in Colorado leadership told B12 that if Apple was going to save the Pac12 it would’ve been announced today…My source (who is talking to an AD at a pac school) says the deal with Espn/Amazon is worth $220m a year. As the Pac-12 deals with losing UCLA and USC to the Big Ten and the Big 12 explores a raid on the Pac-12, audience data can be instructive. ”Log in. Do you prefer to move to the B10 for the money that you really don’t need with Phil Knight’s checkbook-where you will play 2nd fiddle to many? Or do you prefer becoming the top dog in the B12 conference?”We would like to show you a description here but the site won’t allow us. @MHver3 This is the case with any conference not named SEC. See new Tweets“And B12 may just add those 3 and stop and wait to see what happens 5-10 years from now. Replying to. Would the B12 take them?”Sources telling me B12 plans to extend acceptance to Gonzaga following the NCAA tournament. ”“@ChrisRPhillips B10 dreams for Oregon and Washington left and went to the Bears in Chicago. By my count there are 3 "Yes" teams in the ACC and 3 "Maybe" teams. We would like to show you a description here but the site won’t allow us. read image description. ”Log in. ”““We haven't decided if we're going shopping there yet,"-Kliavkoff, spewing venomously at the conference that just recently decided a merger with his conference wasn’t financially attractive. @MHver3. And several mid tier schools that would be shaky getting a new home as well”“I’m also hearing a lot of people describing espns offer to PAC as a lowball offer. MHver3 @MHver3. There’s so much information to pour through and so many moving pieces that B12 leadership alone can’t keep up. (Read full thread)”We would like to show you a description here but the site won’t allow us. All 3 tiers. ”That scenario was floated by Fox. We make more than that currently for all of tier3. I have nothing to gain-no monetization, no click bait links, no podcast. 1 — and for No. @MHver3. OMG I was wrong. 7:34 PM · Jul 20, 2022 MHver3. Retweets. Sign upSee new Tweets. This happened sometime in the past few days. SawyerBrown94 @RChalk94 · Jul 20. I did want to take a minute to share a few things though. We would like to show you a description here but the site won’t allow us. I’d be thrilled if Colorado and Arizona came in, regardless of whether any others did. Big Papa RockChalkPac voted on SDSU and SMU again. I just wish I could get some info from the PAC but that has dried up the past few days. Better than all 4 Four Corners schools. If Ohio State and Mich or Penn St then Big10 schools would try to bounce for $50mil raise, to new conference. If B12 adds the right 6 PAC schools it can see its yearly payouts go above that $35m per school number the way the current deal is structured. Guess the state of AZ to BIG12 has died down though. Oregon, Washington, Stanford, and one other might be the best move. MHver3 @MHver3 Hearing from B12 contacts in communication with Pac12 contacts that AZ and Colorado have NOT committed to signing a GOR and will not agree to sign one without a complete deal in front of them that is equitable and on par with B12/ACC. ConversationWe would like to show you a description here but the site won’t allow us. 2:56 PM · Jul 4, 2022 · Twitter for iPhone. Might Washington and Oregon be making the same offer? 🍎 😂 😂 😂. The BYU factor”Interestingly enough Stanford and Cal would not be part of this proposed merger. Someone mentioned the Saudis last night on here-might be a good. 5m. 19. FOX would be on board for heavily discounted PAC programming but we aren’t there just yet. ALT. Retweets. @MHver3 Big12 is possibly only eyeing 4 of the 6 to stop at 16 for now. ” Confirming through my B12 contacts that according to what has been shared between BY and a few PAC presidents that CW and ION are indeed in talks for PAC12 broadcasting rights. Pitt actually did improve after the move. We would like to show you a description here but the site won’t allow us. MHver3 @MHver3 Hearing from B12 contacts in communication with Pac12 contacts that AZ and Colorado have NOT committed to signing a GOR and will not agree to sign one without a complete deal in front of them that is equitable and on par with B12/ACC. B12 has a chance to get into 20m households with additions. We would like to show you a description here but the site won’t allow us. Clash of Champioms “Bowl” (more on that in next tweet””MHver3 @MHver3. Feb 21. “Those of you worrying about access to playoffs due to harder due to W/L record if B12 drops scheduling FCS and moved to 10 conference games-relax. There. @MHver3 Jul 27, 2022 Media consultants don’t think we can get revenue positive (from current projections) adding all 4 corners schools unless there is a bidding war. ”“@Lake_Cowboy @KDVanderpool We had a good one with TX. ”“Got some clarification on those Pac12 bylaws from my regular B12 source: leaving teams only forfeit revenues if they leave prior to August 2024. Retweets. “@BobOThomson I don’t really have a source close to that program but I can just reiterate what I tweeted a couple of weeks ago: Utah isn’t a priority and is very low on B12 radar”“@RChalk94 I’m not trying to get anyone to believe me. “I’m hearing several Pac12(-2)schools are in complete pandemonium tonight. Most recent figure I’ve heard for Pac12 is just south of $20m per year per school after broadcasting expenses are covered in house. @MHver3. Got a PAC update. The in-fighting is bad currently with those schools. Tomorrows another day!”This merger would trigger pro-rata for espn contract and allow fox to reopen their contract-Amazon could be a part of this as well from what I’m hearing. MHver3. There’s no reason to add anyone else to dilute the tv money just to have an even number. “And what’s interesting as well is my B1G source is telling me if ND decides to join B1G then Stanford is the desired partner to come with ND and they will stop there for possibly forever. 4. Sign upSee new Tweets. ” @MHver3 Jul 22 How BIgEast conference’s demise as a power conference is playing a role in Big12’s current thought process regarding expansion, tv contract, and GOR. Learn more. Bradley Berry M. ”Expansion notes thread since some of these are all over the place I thought I’d just consolidate into one place. Likes. Retweets. ”“Going by remarks made at Pac12 media days by Oregon its looking like they are leaning into to shorter term offer from espn and unequal revenue sharing. Likes. Oils be basketball/Olympic only additions before that happens though. Things are getting crazy!”“And the endgame is probably 16 teams. We aren’t privately funded like Stanford is. Huge mistake. As the Pac-12 deals with losing UCLA and USC to the Big Ten and the Big 12 explores a raid on the Pac-12, audience data can be instructive. Stanford/Cal 13. 10:33 PM · Sep 7, 2021 · Twitter for iPhone. com. 🤷🏻♂️ I honestly feel sorry for most of the schools in the PAC. . Hearing ESPN is taking (or already has taken) their $250m total package offer to the Pac12 off the table. B12 might be inviting 2 schools that have applied to further weaken PAC and maybe force WA/OR hand. All stuff you heard here from me way before it hit the press. Yormark has a vision. 26 Mar 2023 03:01:53Ah-here’s where the subscriber metrics come into play for Apple TV deal: subscription service add on that would see a majority of the baseball games, half the basketball games, and some football games locked behind a paywall. Sign upFinal tidbit of the night: a source in WVU AD thinks the March 7th meeting will be to issue invites to at least 2 BB only schools and to possibly accept and approve applications for 2 all sports members. Jeff “Jelly” Stacks“Juicy tidbit just coming in. But the upside of not paying for production for PACN and the possibility of additional revenues for leased games could see the deal approach the low $20m per team. 1:39 AM · Mar 18, 2023. Cliff notes of meetings: Colorado will rejoin the B12. @bobtrollsby. ”We would like to show you a description here but the site won’t allow us. ”The apple deal would see apple absorb the production costs of all the games and give them the option to sub lease games to other networks and split additional revenues with the conference. Quote. @MHver3. 2. 3:14 AM · Jul 24, 2021. Posted on 37 mins, V I P, User Since 8 months ago, User Post Count: 670. But again, aside from Rutgers going to B10, Pitt had the most room for improvement. “Also not a damn one of those that laughed at me when I said months ago ACC was going to adopt unequal revenue sharing came back and apologized. We would like to show you a description here but the site won’t allow us. ”Hearing GK struck out with the Amazon/ESPN deal and it’s not even going to the table for a vote-presidents asking him to go back to the networks and negotiate it higher. and @JimUSFSig. ”“Sorry I’ve been away so long. Some in the PAC are trying to push a couple of the others out in an effort to add 2 “better” markets for tv and recruiting without increasing the mouths to feed. Log in. 3:14 AM · Jul 24, 2021. Clash of Champioms “Bowl” (more on that in next tweet”” “@flugempire @YouTube The numbers are not where the presidents want them. At least for the next 6-8 years. ” ACC again proposed an aggressive expansion to 20 teams and has been talking with OR/WA/Stanford/and Cal. Gonzaga is in for basketball. 7h. ACC adding west coast schools could severely affect B12 expansion plan because its really just about that late window. Conversation“Very risky for PAC to walk from what espn was offering but desperate times…”“@bigg_t08 I don’t want to predict anything about what the final offer will be because so much can change. ”@MHver3 I don't know what the rumors are you're talking about, but it's pretty simple. We would like to show you a description here but the site won’t allow us. MHver3 @MHver3. Things have escalated. PAC is in an exclusive window with the 2 main networks bidding on B10 that expires next week. ”Pac voted on SDSU and SMU again. Jul 6, 2022. MHver3 on Twitter: "So just to recap the West Coast Spin: PAC has drawn up their GOR mimicking the newest revision to the ACC payout schedule and schools are ready to sign just as soon as they see the money? And Also AZ President had no idea this document was created? Ok. AZ has and AZSU problem. Finger pointing, yelling amongst leadership, and very pissed at ESPN for the hit piece on their conference while they are supposed to be negotiating in good faith. And they all already know the current numbers. So at least more spots open. Also the FB CCG. 9. Possibly during the NCAA tournament but it could be immediately following. I’d be thrilled if Colorado and Arizona came. Yormark has a vision. That’s it. I’ve also heard that Pac12 may not have enough yes votes from members to add SDSU and SMU. “Morning tidbits: Fox is done with Pac12 as an entity and has no plans to even bid on a new tv contract.